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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: GrahamJ
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:53 pm (GMT -7)

It sounds like it's an open and shut case of 'He's human garbage.':

'The woman drank too much, an arrest affidavit says, and blacked out in the bathroom after getting sick. She awoke in the bathroom to find Saucido raping her, she told police, and she screamed in pain before blacking out again.

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"(The friend) knocked on the bathroom door, as it was believed that (the woman) was inside. After a moment ... (the friend) heard the bathroom door open and saw Saucido look out, then close and lock the door again," the affidavit says. "Once Saucido opened the door, (the friend) saw (the woman) was in there with him. (The friend) said Saucido carried (the woman) to the taxi."

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Half an hour later, the friend and boyfriend heard noises coming from the living room, the affidavit says. The boyfriend went to investigate and found Saucido again having sex with the woman, who was still passed out face down on the couch, the affidavit says.

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On police request, the victim agreed to a recorded phone call to Saucido, during which she asked him about the assault, the affidavit says. The papers say Saucido told her during the call that while the incident was happening, he thought to himself, "I don't know what ... I'm doing. I need to sober up."

She also told him that she was missing her underwear from that night, and he responded that he had them but hadn't returned them because "I didn't think you wanted a reminder of that night," court papers say.'


http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/metv_producer_faces_sex_assault_charges

He needs a serious f***ing beating. and therapy: that kind of behaviour isn't something that can be 'cured' - that comes from a real sickness in the mind.


Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: bsenka
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:03 pm (GMT -7)

GrahamJ wrote:
IHe needs a serious f***ing beating. and therapy: that kind of behaviour isn't something that can be 'cured' - that comes from a real sickness in the mind.


IF it's true. The Prosecutor didn't think the witnesses were credible enough to get a conviction, what makes you so sure? You can't ruin a person's life on an unproven accusation.
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: How does your club view the guard pull? Berimbolo?

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Author: Rjarman
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:13 pm (GMT -7)

I train under Carlson Gracie Jr. in his Chicago school. We have instructors in the school that teach and use both. One instructor is obsessed with Berlimbolo and we work from it probably a few times a month. I don't think it's frowned upon by CG at all. He encourages us to work all areas of our game and brings in wrestlers, judo and other grappling disipline artists to further the art. I don't see Jr. as being closed minded for anything, he loves to see new things and watch his students and the art evolve.

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: GrahamJ
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:14 pm (GMT -7)

bsenka wrote:
GrahamJ wrote:
IHe needs a serious f***ing beating. and therapy: that kind of behaviour isn't something that can be 'cured' - that comes from a real sickness in the mind.


IF it's true. The Prosecutor didn't think the witnesses were credible enough to get a conviction, what makes you so sure? You can't ruin a person's life on an unproven accusation.


Really...?
People shun people, and tell others about what they know about someone - but have never 'proven' in a court of law - all the time: i'm sure you've done it, and will do it again, and again.

As Georgette was at pains to point out: there are many variables: the legal limit on what the police can do to get evidence; what can be presented in court; monetary concerns: offering a plea to save the taxpayer the cost of a trial...

...and OJ was found not guilty - but we all know, man: we all know what OJ did.

And this dude's life has been ruined by this 'unproven' accusation, so...

'According to the arrest affidavit, Saucido sexually assaulted a woman who passed out in the bathroom at his party; the statement says he later followed the woman to her apartment and assaulted her again. A friend who had helped the woman home says she witnessed the assault.'

Now: who to trust - a guy who admitted to sex crimes, and agreed to be a registered sex offender for fourteen years...or basically anybody else?
Not sure how it works where you're from, but that's not a tough choice to make for me.

'My erstwhile friend, who lives in my town and teaches jiu jitsu in my town, is a rapist, in my eyes.'

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: bsenka
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:24 pm (GMT -7)

GrahamJ wrote:
As Georgette was at pains to point out: there are many variables: the legal limit on what the police can do to get evidence; what can be presented in court; monetary concerns: offering a plea to save the taxpayer the cost of a trial...


Yes. And one of the variables is also witness(es) lying. Happens a lot.

Again, I reference the Duke Lacrosse case. The accuser was lying flat out. Absolutely ruined those boys lives. I personally know two people who were falsely accused of similar offences. The accusers eventually admitted they lied, but not before the accused lost their jobs, their families fell apart, and they were absolutely blacklisted everywhere in town. By the time the truth got out, the damage was done.

Especially in the cases of sexual assault, if the accused says he didn't do it, and the prosecutor didn't think the evidence was credible enough to stand trial, I'm siding with the accused. Too many women use next day remorse to try to retroactively say no.
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: georgetteoden
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:28 pm (GMT -7)

Wow, really embarrasses me we're both on the same team, bsenka...

I don't know why you equate plea bargaining with "the witness isn't credible enough to get a conviction."

Are you a prosecutor?

I am.

Let me tell you-- since you obviously did not read my blog post in which I said the same thing-- Many times cases get pled down to spare the victim having to testify. Or because the offender lacked any prior criminal history. Or because the victim was a college student who moved back home after the assault and doesn't want to come back and testify.

I can tell you in this situation I don't know which if any applies-- or some other explanation. BUT, since I actually TALKED TO THE OFFENDER...

You should shut your candy ass up. Go to law school and become a defense lawyer so you can see just how often people are "wrongly accused."

*snort*
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: georgetteoden
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:29 pm (GMT -7)

Also, Rigan has disavowed Paul Saucido.

Posted on facebook, on Rigan's personal page, Saturday June 29 at 220pm CT:

I just want to make the public aware that I no longer have any relationship or ties to Paul Saucido and Zen Jiu-Jitsu. Zen Jiu-Jitsu is no longer affiliated with me after the information about his sex offender status was made known to me. I have cancelled all seminars present and future with Zen Jiu-Jitsu. I do not support sex offenders and will take all necessary precautions to ensure our mats are safe and students worldwide can train in a safe environment. Background checks will be mandatory for all instructors and staff at any academy that I teach at.

Respectfully, Rigan Machado
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: White belt discouraged by contstant pummeling...

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Author: sOz
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:32 pm (GMT -7)

man this thread weirds me out. everybody acting like its ideal to have purples+ in smash mode 100% of the time vs a white and that will improve him faster??



there is a reason all the other whites quit there, your school is full of douchebags.


if im not reading the OP correctly and you just mean they are getting the better of you all the time but they also keep it playful and let you work then thats nothing out of the ordinary but saying "All the other whites quit" makes it seem like they just target new guys and beat them down mercilessly and thats not cool IMO. Then again im an old softy Razz
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: 37 Omo Plata Set Ups In Just 4 Min - Jason Scully / Aesopian

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Author: jasculs
Subject: 37 Omo Plata Set Ups In Just 4 Min - Jason Scully / Aesopian
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:36 pm (GMT -7)

It's that time again for another "Short But Sweet" reference video. This one is a very special one because its the first time I've ever done a video collaboration with anyone. Matt Kirtley which many of you know as Aesopian from (www.Aesopian.com) just so happened to move only 1.25 hours away from me. Many people across the BJJ internet world know of Aesopian and is awesome contributions to the BJJ community so I definitely jumped on the chance to do a collab with him when I approached me about it. I've known him for a while online but this is the first time we ever met in person.

In this video we are showing you PART 1 that's right I said part 1 of a two part series we are doing o the omo plata. This part shows 37 Omo Plata Set Ups in Just 4 Minutes. It's a bunch of different situation you can set up and obtain the omo plata.

In part 2 we will be showing you a bunch of sweeps and additional attacks off of the omo plata. That's a series I'm really excited about filming.

In the mean time I hope this video can help you with some idea and I hope all of the things I've shared so far have been able to help you. I love doing this stuff!


Link


Thank you for your support,

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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: White belt discouraged by contstant pummeling...

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Author: dkntapornap
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:05 pm (GMT -7)

constant beatings are what brought my defense skills to light.

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: 37 Omo Plata Set Ups In Just 4 Min - Jason Scully / Aesopian

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Author: Tyharris14
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:19 pm (GMT -7)

Beautiful.

Should be fun ;)
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: bma_mat
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:44 pm (GMT -7)

georgetteoden wrote:
Wow, really embarrasses me we're both on the same team, bsenka...

I don't know why you equate plea bargaining with "the witness isn't credible enough to get a conviction."

Are you a prosecutor?

I am.

Let me tell you-- since you obviously did not read my blog post in which I said the same thing-- Many times cases get pled down to spare the victim having to testify. Or because the offender lacked any prior criminal history. Or because the victim was a college student who moved back home after the assault and doesn't want to come back and testify.

I can tell you in this situation I don't know which if any applies-- or some other explanation. BUT, since I actually TALKED TO THE OFFENDER...

You should shut your candy ass up. Go to law school and become a defense lawyer so you can see just how often people are "wrongly accused."

*snort*


Extremely rude.
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: 37 Omo Plata Set Ups In Just 4 Min - Jason Scully / Aesopian

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Author: dkntapornap
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:50 pm (GMT -7)

was wondering what moves I was going to work on this next week,glad u helped me figure it out.killer vid

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: 37 Omo Plata Set Ups In Just 4 Min - Jason Scully / Aesopian

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Author: thegent
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:56 pm (GMT -7)

Awesome video ! Definitely giving me some new ideas :-D
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: How does your club view the guard pull? Berimbolo?

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Author: Mohawke
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:58 pm (GMT -7)

The more berimbolo, the better

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: GrahamJ
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:16 pm (GMT -7)

'Rape victims are being punished because of "damaging myths" about false rape and domestic violence allegations - which are much less common than previously thought, a new Crown Prosecution Service report has found.

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The "trailblazing" research, the first of its kind, has discovered that false allegations of rape and domestic violence are "very rare", with only a very small number of cases where there was enough evidence and it was considered in the public interest to prosecute.'


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/13/false-rape-allegations-ra_n_2865823.html

Y'know, it really makes the phrase 'rape culture' hit home as a stark reality of the society we live in when I hear men spouting unfounded bullshit that's sympathetic to the massively minority male victims, at the expense of the overwhelming majority female victims.
With such latent anti-woman hostility in the popular consciousness, is it any wonder so many men think nothing of the sexual victimisation of women - either as perpetrators themselves, or when judging other perpetrators...?

Women, eh?: Getting all uppity, and stuff - asking for rights; what about the men...?!!

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: BJJMark95
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:57 pm (GMT -7)

bma_mat wrote:
georgetteoden wrote:
Wow, really embarrasses me we're both on the same team, bsenka...

I don't know why you equate plea bargaining with "the witness isn't credible enough to get a conviction."

Are you a prosecutor?

I am.

Let me tell you-- since you obviously did not read my blog post in which I said the same thing-- Many times cases get pled down to spare the victim having to testify. Or because the offender lacked any prior criminal history. Or because the victim was a college student who moved back home after the assault and doesn't want to come back and testify.

I can tell you in this situation I don't know which if any applies-- or some other explanation. BUT, since I actually TALKED TO THE OFFENDER...

You should shut your candy ass up. Go to law school and become a defense lawyer so you can see just how often people are "wrongly accused."

*snort*


Extremely rude.


DittoDittoDitto

I have had several conversations with G about this and other topics of a similar nature. G knows how I feel but let me just say this:

G it is very very very commendable and respectable your stance on this issue. However, sometimes, like in this instance, I think you let your passion take over.


My view on all of this is: It is a completely case by case basis. Should this guy be teaching in BJJ? No I dont think he should. Should he have his rank stripped? I dont think so. Once you earn something you cannot take it away regardless of what you do.

I think that if it comes up, yes you should have to inform people of it, but you have to be within reason on this. I mean can you imagine in an introductory class or meeting having that be on the agenda for discussion "Yes sir we have a great program here. I am a such and such rank in BJJ and I am a registered sex offender. Im sure we can accommodate all your needs..."

I am highly against domestic violence, sexual abuse and assalt, and ANY acts of violence or harm towards women from men - period! It is attrocious and it makes me sick to my stomach to think of the cowardness it takes - and I feel such sympathy for any woman who has to go thru such events.

That being said - I do mean it when I say it should be a case by case basis. Because - if you honestly think that there aren't CRAZY messed up women out there who would easily shout being a victim to admitting they made a bad decision and would ruin someones life over it in a heart beat - then you need a reality check because this scenario ALSO happens all the time.

The key is to get the evidence - support those involved to getting to the truth - and then taking the necessary actions. Accusations are just that - but accusations of sexual misconduct and assault are enough to ruin lives. And trust me - the people who do all the whistle blowing to ruin peoples lives over accusations HAVE NEVER and WILL NEVER go back and raise even more noise to admit they were wrong to help fix the damage they caused. People are too quick to jump the gun BECAUSE they let their passion take over and dont think with a clear and unbiased mind.

Basically - sexual crimes are a very serious matter and should be treated as such by both MEN and WOMEN. Period.
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Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: White belt discouraged by contstant pummeling...

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Author: godsaveme
Subject: Re: White belt discouraged by contstant pummeling...
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:06 pm (GMT -7)

BiloxiBJJ wrote:
O.k. here goes. First let me say the people in my class are great and answer my questions when I need help. They are not bullies or intentionally hurting anyone.
Problem is, I am the only white belt left in the class since I started 10 months ago. Every other white belt has given up. Everyone else in the class is a high-end blue or purple belt. I'm going home discouraged because I get absolutely crushed every class. I'm starting to feel like a grappling dummy.
Choke, tap, lock, tap, mount, tap,etc. for the whole class.
If we do get a new white belt for a class or two I go extremely easy (it's their first class) so i'm in this weird place taking it easy or being smashed.

Anyone is the same position at their school?


I can't say anything encouraging.

Like someone said. Work on your defense with these guys. Try to work on your base, posture and try like hell to just stay in guard as long as you can. That's what I do with people who are better than me, which is, like, 99% of the people. f*** it all and just be "Mr. Defense". If you can, ask your instructor about private classes.

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: White belt discouraged by contstant pummeling...

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Author: godsaveme
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:10 pm (GMT -7)

sOz wrote:
man this thread weirds me out. everybody acting like its ideal to have purples+ in smash mode 100% of the time vs a white and that will improve him faster??



there is a reason all the other whites quit there, your school is full of douchebags.


if im not reading the OP correctly and you just mean they are getting the better of you all the time but they also keep it playful and let you work then thats nothing out of the ordinary but saying "All the other whites quit" makes it seem like they just target new guys and beat them down mercilessly and thats not cool IMO. Then again im an old softy Razz


FINALLY someone who makes sense. Yes, something is terribly wrong. I don't undertand the "suffering attitude" of most of these guys. That it's somehow "honorable" to take a beating and thank the guy for f***ing you up. The school should be an environment where everyone improves, regardless of belt rank. I don't think this guy is "lucky" to have these monsters pounding on him. It is quite in fact discouraging.

Jiu Jitsu Discussion :: RE: When an instructor is a rapist.... no, not Lloyd...

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Author: nathan barley
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:31 pm (GMT -7)

The fact that there's a small minority of women prepared to lie about stuff like this isn't relevant when the victim's story is corroborated by witnesses and other details of the case. Bending over backwards, as some men do, to give a kind of blanket amnesty from judgement to all men convicted of sex crimes against women on the basis of the fact that somewhere else a man might be being falsely accused of a similar crime is the mark of a douche.
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